Interview

Francesc Grau

Digital consultant

“Kids need monitoring on the Internet”

An expert in social media and communication and digital management, Grau says leaving children to use tablets and mobiles without supervision is as dangerous as letting them wander around the streets by themselves

Tot el que heu de saber sobre internet abans que els vostres fills Author: Francesc Grau Publisher: Eumo Editorial Pages: 129 Price: 13 euros

Francesc Grau (Bany­oles, 1976) is an en­tre­pre­neur, so­cial net­works and new com­mu­ni­ca­tion tech­nolo­gies ex­pert, as well as a dig­i­tal con­sul­tant. He has re­cently pub­lished a book: Tot el que heu de saber sobre in­ter­net abans que els vostres fills (Every­thing you need to know about the in­ter­net be­fore your chil­dren do) (pub­lisher, Eumo), which no doubt many par­ents have ei­ther been ea­gerly wait­ing for or will greatly ap­pre­ci­ate

For the first time in his­tory, are ed­u­ca­tors less in­formed than those who need ed­u­cat­ing?
I’m not one of those who thinks our chil­dren know more than we do. That’s not true and is a re­duc­tion­ist and de­mo­ti­vat­ing mes­sage. Our chil­dren are not born taught, they are only born in a dig­i­tal cul­ture that we did not grow up in. We can over­come the great bar­rier to this world by tak­ing the time to un­der­stand it. But not so much time in the dig­i­tal world in gen­eral, be­cause we al­ready do that, from What­sApp to so­cial net­works, but rather ob­serv­ing the dig­i­tal world that our chil­dren are in­ter­ested in. If we make the dou­ble ef­fort to un­der­stand their world and spend time in it, we’ve done it.
Par­ents come from the cul­ture of tele­vi­sion, where they watch with­out doing any­thing. Is that the gen­er­a­tional cut-off? Where in­ter­ac­tiv­ity be­gins and ends?
Today’s chil­dren are not in­ter­ested in pas­siv­ity. They want to choose, to take sides. Par­ents come from the one-di­rec­tional cul­ture of watch­ing. Our chil­dren are mov­ing to­wards in­ter­ac­tion, which is more com­plex for us, al­though we are now get­ting used to it. They, on the other hand, don’t need to get used to any­thing, this cul­ture is al­ready in­ter­nalised for them.
But a cer­tain dose of re­cep­tive pas­siv­ity is nec­es­sary for learn­ing. Don’t they run the risk of los­ing con­cen­tra­tion, on the one hand, and con­fus­ing the dig­i­tal with the real world, on the other?
Par­ents’ work should not be so much in­struct­ing their chil­dren as ac­com­pa­ny­ing them in the dig­i­tal world. They should do this in a way that in­forms chil­dren about what they are see­ing, being by their side, see­ing what they do and putting what they see into con­text. It’s clear that the dig­i­tal world will con­di­tion them in the real world. This ex­cite­ment through im­ages is trans­lated into the non-dig­i­tal world. When they leave the tablet or mo­bile to one side, it’s pos­si­ble that their be­hav­iour is in­flu­enced by what they’ve seen. But we shouldn’t un­der­es­ti­mate our chil­dren by think­ing they can­not dis­tin­guish be­tween what hap­pens on the screen and what hap­pens out­side. We have to mon­i­tor and give them bits of in­for­ma­tion here and there, just as we do in other areas of life. We don’t have to rein­vent the wheel, we sim­ply have to ac­com­pany kids as we do in other as­pects of life, with the only dif­fer­ence that in the dig­i­tal world we must make an extra ef­fort be­cause we have not been ed­u­cated in that.
In the book, you argue that it must be clear to chil­dren that what a per­son puts out on so­cial net­works is not the life of that per­son, that the in­ter­net is a dis­torted image of re­al­ity.
This dis­tor­tion is part of the na­ture of these net­works. When chil­dren get older, they will re­alise this and will take 25 pho­tos on the beach one day and then post them grad­u­ally, as if they were going to the beach every day, but, at first, they need it ex­plain­ing to them that every­thing they see, hear and read only forms part of a win­dow on re­al­ity that, firstly, is larger, and also may be com­plete fic­tion. For ex­am­ple, some­times a photo or video of an ap­par­ently spon­ta­neous in­flu­encer has taken half an hour of prepa­ra­tion to get the right frame, light­ing, decor, etc. A child may think that’s real. I show my eight-year-old son screen shots and ask for his opin­ion. What do you think about this photo? What do you think about this lady who just bought a car and has posted the photo on so­cial net­works? To make him re­flect on what he sees.
At what age should they be al­lowed ac­cess to them?
I’m not going to com­ment on that. It’s like ask­ing me when they should start watch­ing TV or when they have to learn man­ners at the table.
I will put the ques­tion an­other way. What do you think when you see chil­dren a few months or years old with a smart­phone in their hands?
I think that if their par­ents are not com­pletely on top of it and not reg­u­lat­ing the fre­quency with which they use it, it’s bad prac­tice.
One metaphor in the book ar­gues that just as no one would let young chil­dren go into the streets or the woods alone, they should not be left alone on the in­ter­net.
Sit­ting on the sofa at home with the smart­phone, we feel safe, but the de­vice is such a pow­er­ful win­dow that, just to put a ran­dom num­ber, a thou­sand things come in from the out­side, five hun­dred good things and five hun­dred bad ones. Leav­ing our chil­dren alone in this dig­i­tal jun­gle is crazy. This is what hap­pened to kids a cou­ple of gen­er­a­tions ago who went out to play in the street away from their par­ents’ con­trol. Only now they are not under con­trol with­out leav­ing home. Going out on the street to play was ac­tu­ally much safer to going into the in­ter­net world. Be­cause in your home street the neigh­bours knew you and the risks were known and pre­dictable. Today, when a child goes on the in­ter­net, they can ac­cess any con­tent, and when they have learned to spell and type, they can go wher­ever they want. To put it sim­ply, the man in the mack­in­tosh in the park is now eas­ily found today with just a Google search. You find the man in the mack­in­tosh with­out the mack­in­tosh!
Should chil­dren be ed­u­cated in using the in­ter­net be­fore ado­les­cence, which is when they build their per­son­al­ity and a pro­file on the net­works?
We need to get through to our chil­dren be­fore they stop lis­ten­ing to us. That is, be­fore the pre-ado­les­cence stage. Be­tween seven or eight years old, when they al­ready un­der­stand many things and want to learn, until 11 or 12. This is the small win­dow of op­por­tu­nity. They want to learn and they still lis­ten to their par­ents. So, when they reach the more dif­fi­cult age, they will be clear on a lot of im­por­tant things.
Can you sum­marise what should be clear to them?
That what they see on the de­vice is not phys­i­cally there in­side it, but rather in the cloud. That every­thing they pub­lish be­comes pub­lic and can there­fore be seen by any­one. And, also, that they take into ac­count what is known as on­line rep­u­ta­tion. That is, what they pub­lish today will re­main there for a life­time and they don’t know how it might af­fect them in the fu­ture when they are look­ing for a job, for ex­am­ple. We do not know if that mes­sage that we posted a year ago will be there for many years or for­ever, but what is cer­tain is that it won’t be there only a short time surely. And we don?t know who will use that in­for­ma­tion or those im­ages or for what pur­pose. We don’t have to re­press them, but we need to make them aware that they will lose con­trol of what they post can harm or help them in the fu­ture; it de­pends.
We adults say, write or do things on the in­ter­net that we might not do in real life. Should we be ed­u­cat­ing them by ex­am­ple?
On so­cial media, we should do the same as in real life. We should not be trans­mit­ting our anger by in­sult­ing peo­ple on Twit­ter, or our hap­pi­ness by show­ing off on In­sta­gram. That is trans­mit­ting pat­terns of be­hav­iour. The cul­ture of new dig­i­tal emo­tions must be man­aged. We are mak­ing a mis­take in this re­gard, be­cause we’ve learned as we go along. We have to try to help our chil­dren make fewer mis­takes.
Apart from our chil­dren, shouldn’t we also be ed­u­cat­ing our par­ents, who have be­come fix­ated with new tech­nolo­gies, have a lot of free time to spend, and also ed­u­cate their grand­chil­dren’s kids?
That would be a dif­fer­ent book!

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