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Vicent Marqués

Author of ‘History of Catalan and Occitan Cuisine’

“The climate and local products are what define a country’s cuisine”

How did this pro­ject to trace the his­tory of Cata­lan and Oc­c­i­tan cui­sine come about?
I was in­ter­ested in cook­ery from a young age and over the years I bought the few books there were on tra­di­tional cui­sine. After I had ac­quired a few of them, I began to see that while what they said was fine, it wasn’t ex­actly what I was look­ing for, as they didn’t talk about the his­tory of the dishes. I began to sift through li­braries and those I couldn’t get to, such as Barcelona, Paris or Palma, I asked for the books I wanted on mi­cro­film. They were very ex­pen­sive, but I ac­cu­mu­lated a vast amount of data and I began to write. I still haven’t fin­ished, and I’ve been doing it for over 40 years so far.
You’ve been called “the Coromines [Cata­lan lin­guist] of the kitchen”.
Cook­ery is, most prob­a­bly, what would be left after a cat­a­stro­phe, but lan­guage is much more im­por­tant, it’s the great­est asset we have as a peo­ple. Joan Coromines was a sage, and I write books about cook­ing. You can’t com­pare one with the other.
What de­fines a coun­try’s cui­sine?
The cli­mate and the local prod­ucts. Oc­c­i­tanie and the Cata­lan Coun­tries are neigh­bours. It rains a lit­tle more there but the cli­mate is very sim­i­lar, the an­i­mals and plants we eat are the same, and we share a his­tory that was un­for­tu­nately brought to an end by the Bat­tle of Muret (1213), but a lot of traces re­main.
You’ve listed recipes and their local va­ri­eties and his­tor­i­cal back­ground. What’s the strangest dish you’ve found?
El Niu, no doubt, and not be­cause we are in Palafrugell. It’s a very baroque dish, with five or six in­gre­di­ents you wouldn’t think would go to­gether. [Cata­lan writer Josep] Pla said that it seemed like an im­pos­si­ble dish but made well was mag­nif­i­cent. It can­not be com­pared to any other dish.
Is Cata­lan cui­sine baroque?
Not in gen­eral. Per­haps we could talk about dishes from Em­pordà being baroque, be­cause there’s a ten­dency to mix things, meats, fish and fruit. Mar i muntanya dishes are an ex­am­ple.
Have we im­ported many dishes?
Not that many. Apart from noo­dles (fideus), which are an­cient, there is pasta, such as can­nel­loni or spaghetti, which were brought over by Ital­ian chefs in the 19th cen­tury and who set­tled in Barcelona. They made Ital­ian dishes, but over time they were adapted to local tastes.
Being from Va­len­cia, I imag­ine you have a spe­cial in­ter­est in rice dishes?
We’ve just pub­lished the sec­ond vol­ume. The third vol­ume, which is writ­ten and will come out next year, is de­voted to rice, pulses and pasta. I’ve doc­u­mented some three hun­dred rice dishes of all types.
Are we talk­ing about paella?
Va­len­cians are very sen­si­tive about this issue, to the point of send­ing death threats to Jamie Oliver for com­ing up with a recipe that in­cluded chorizo. In gen­eral, the paelles peo­ple make are ter­ri­ble. Paella has to be made in a large re­cip­i­ent and it is bet­ter if it’s made on a wood fire. Dry rice is del­i­cate. It’s eas­ier to make cal­dosos [rice broth].
Do you like today’s cui­sine?
I like it a lot. If I had the time, I’d do an­other book on mol­e­c­u­lar or cre­ative cui­sine. It’s a great cui­sine, al­though per­haps not for eat­ing every day.
Is tra­di­tional cook­ery dis­ap­pear­ing?
It’s dis­ap­pear­ing due to the pace of life. Peo­ple don’t have the time for it. This his­tory is like a hand­book of past cui­sine.
How big will it be?
There will be 10 vol­umes, of which four are al­ready writ­ten. The first was launched in Oc­to­ber and the sec­ond has just come out. We want to bring out one vol­ume a year.

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